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With this post, I want to raise the question of whether those of us in the Church of Christ tradition should start reckoning the age of accountability for baptism as closer to 20 than to 13. For those who don’t know what I’m talking about, some background will be necessary: I come from a Christian tradition called the Church of Christ, whose most defining characteristic is its insistence on believers baptism: people are baptized (= immersed) only once they are old enough to choose. We may disagree on many things among our congregations, but I am confident that you could search the nation without finding a CofC that uses the Believer’s Prayer or infant sprinkling to initiate members. Personally and theologically, I fully support this practice: it emphasizes Christianity as a voluntary response to God’s call, entailing commitment and obedience. The New Testament lacks the notion of a nominal Christian, and believers baptism proclaims that fact in a graphic way. The practice also demonstrates the belief that conversion is rebirth into a new life, in which the believer lives in obedience to God, empowered by the Holy Spirit. It sees baptism as an antidote not merely for original sin as found in an infant, but for the gritty reality of an adult who knows exactly how he or she has betrayed God. But who can be a “believer”? Although Martin Luther argued that God can give the gift of faith to an infant as easily as to an adult, most people would admit that the kind of faith typically portrayed in the New Testament requires a person to be a bit older. As a result, those who practice infant baptism often focus on the parents’ faith as well as their role in raising the child with a faith they can grow into. This is a worthy goal, but I think baptism is intended to signify an individual’s rebirth, not a family’s intentions. Believers baptism is not without its problems either. For example, it raises the question whether young children are saved if they die before they are baptized. Because certain scriptures describe young children who do not know the difference between right and wrong, some have argued that such children cannot actually sin. At some point, it is argued, they do come to know right from wrong, at which point they become accountable for their sin, and thus in need of salvation. This age of accountability is kind of a nebulous boundary, and it guarantees that some children will die having reached this age of accountability but not having realized it. If we wanted to assure that no child died after reaching accountability but before baptism, we could push baptism to an earlier age, but that would require us to encourage baptism before the age of accountability, which would undermine the meaning of believers baptism in the first place. As a result, believers baptism requires an assumption that God will show mercy for borderline cases. Some of this probably sounds silly to those not acquainted with the tradition, but these things matter to people, and they need to be reasoned out. Churches face the genuine pastoral concern of communicating to children (and their parents) that people need God’s forgiveness, but that children should not be bullied with the fear of hell. There is an age, however, where the church needs to speak clearly about sin and the need for salvation, and the trick is determining what that age is. 4? 8? 13? 18? Churches of Christ have tended to asssociate that age with the age of accountability, which more or less means the age of moral responsibility. Kids around age 13 start to develop ways of thinking very similar to adults, so it’s a natural time to view young people as making the leap from childhood to adulthood, and thus to accountability. In practice, this age varies from kid to kid and from family to family, but my sense is that the bell curve, if you took a survey, would peak at age 13. However, it’s clear that kids have at least some notion of right and wrong by the time they start kindergarten. And what’s more, kids’ thinking at 13 is really only an approximation of adult thought. It seems to me, then, that we’re pretty much picking an age according to our best guess and assuming God will honor it since we don’t have anything more specific in Scripture to go on. Personally, I’m not persuaded that 13 is a good age for young people to make a decision for Christ and be baptized. If we have to pick an age more or less arbitrarily anyway, let’s pick one that reflects the struggle young people go though when deciding whether to live a Christian life. The Scriptural witness: Warriors in the desert As for age of accountability in Scripture, there is nothing close to a clear guideline associated with baptism. However, the Old Testament has at least one important instance where age appears to be used as a criteria for accountability. When Moses takes a census at two points in Numbers, he counts only men aged 20 and older (e.g., Num 1:3; 26:2). When the people of Israel refuse to take the promised land, God responds by holding these men responsible: all those who were counted in the census would die in the desert before the later generation entered the land. Only Joshua and Caleb, because they were ready to obey Yahweh, would be allowed to enter (Num 14:29-30; 32:11-12). It seems most reasonable that this specific group was punished because they were qualified for battle, and thus could have stepped forward to fight in obedience to Yahweh; Deut 2:14 supports this explanation. However, another passage in Deuteronomy suggests a different explanation:
It seems that the children under 20 weren’t held accountable for their parents’ mistake because they did not yet know right from wrong. This suggests 20 as the closest thing we have to a biblical “age of accountability.” Guidelines for the church? My point here is not to be a legalist in search of a proof text, but rather to wonder whether this seemingly arbitrary number from the OT is nearer to the reality of when the typical person indeed knows better. In one sense, we never know better. At every stage of my life so far, I’ve been able to recognize how badly I misunderstood the world in the previous stage, and I suspect that will continue for a long time. I’ve been studying scripture, theology, and ministry for 10 academic years now, and what I have learned has challenged, at times harmed, and at times strengthened my faith in many way. However, the primary doubts I have––the ones that make me ask why I follow Jesus in the first place––are the ones that started when I was 17. The fact is, at age 13, kids don’t understand what the primary questions concerning their faith are going to be. By 25, they usually have a good idea. I could name off a veritable parade of my peers who have seriously questioned their faith either in college or in early adulthood. Most of them were baptized in early adolescence, and most of them had no idea how much their perception would change between ages 18 and 24. The goal is not complete understanding or complete certainty, because many/most faithful believers continue to have doubts throughout their lives. But when we encourage 13-year-olds to be baptized, we almost may as well use infant baptism instead. While kids that age clearly understand the content of their faith, the questions that so often arise in later adolescents suggest that 13-year-olds lack an adequate understanding of what faith really entails. We don’t encourage young people to jump into marriage before they have a good idea of who their future spouse is and what some of the struggles of an adult relationship will be; I don’t think we should encourage kids to commit to Christ before they understand what adult faith entails. In light of all this, it seems to me that advocates of believers baptism should shift our expectation of when a young person is truly “qualified” to commit to Christ for life. To me, the biblical age of 20 seems like a good target. How it might work: Here’s what I would envision: through high school, kids are encouraged to learn the Christian faith, but they are neither expected nor allowed to be baptized. Parents and churches teach Christian values just the same, and teens are still taught about the reality of sin. In fact, teens can even think of themselves more or less as Christians (just like young kids in the church do now), but everyone acknowledges that they’re basically just living out their parents’ faith (which, let’s face it, is the reality for most baptized teens now). As kids approach age 20, the church clearly communicates to them that they are becoming adults, and that it is time to count the cost of following Christ. For 20-year-olds who have not yet encountered the issues of adult faith, this is an opportunity for them to do so, knowing that they are old enough that no one can force them to be baptized. It’s an opportunity for a young person to ask adults in the church difficult questions about the faith, and maybe even do some reading. Then, if she makes an adult decision to follow Christ, she can be baptized. Concerns One risk that parents will point out is that some kids will act out during high school, planning on being forgiven later. St. Augustine famously held a similar attitude as an unbaptized adolescent in the 4th century, when he prayed, “Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet.” My sense, though, is that most teenagers are going to do what they want, baptized or not. Christianity may be a useful tool to prevent some teens from acting out, but on the whole I think it’s only marginally successful, plus I’m not sure God wants us to “use” it in that way in the first place. The other risk is that some young people who would have been baptized at 13 will choose not to be baptized at 20. I agree that this would happen. But my question is: Isn’t the whole point of believers baptism that people cannot be Christians by default? If a person is going to be a true adult disciple, won’t she choose baptism at 20 just as sure as she would have at 13? Shouldn’t we recognize that the person who has lost their faith by 20 was really just making an immature (though sincere) decision at 13? In the end, I think this concern reflects the same kind of desire that leads most Christians to practice infant baptism. We might claim that our concern is for the children, but I think the real concern is for the adults in the church, who want reassurance that their children are saved. To put it bluntly: if we baptize our kids before they know better, then we can think of them as Christians even if they end up losing interest in the faith as adults. Delaying baptism until age 20 would help us all see things for what they are. For those who profess to follow a Lord who despised hypocrisy and heartless religion, I think this is a better path. |
June 20th, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Good points. Even though I was raised (for most of my childhood) in a Methodist congregation, I was not baptised as an infant because my mother comes from a CofC background and my father from a Baptist one, and in any case they were attending a Baptist church when I was born, and did so until I was a few years old. But I was definitely younger than 20 when I was sprinkled.
I read somewhere recently that the early Church struggled with similar issues, at some point realizing that if you considered the EXIT from the church to be such a tragedy, you should exercise equal vigilance concerning the ENTRANCE into it. But of course, an established Church (or what we have now, one that desperately wants to be) cannot be so rigorous.
Karl Barth, pissing off many of his fellow Reformed Christians, famously argued against infant baptism late in his career. I have not read this section of his work, but you might find it interesting. It is called _Baptism as the Foundation of the Christian Life_.
Cat was working at a big downtown Chicago church a while back and the minister there actually suggested baptizing an infant whose parents had explicitly indicated an intention to raise the child Jewish (the faith of one of the parents). As liberal as I knew he was, this really shocked me. Also, my field ed. advisor in seminary confessed to baptising a dead man who had expressly refused to convert during his lifetime, to placate the family.
All of this reminds me of stories I’ve heard about parents getting irate about ministers taking their children off the membership rolls when they do not darken the door of the church for years.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:14 pm
Jason: I like your point of linking the importance of entrance into the church with exit from the church.
It seems to me we have a dichotomy between talk and fact. If someone were to say they were leaving the church, it would be a big deal. But people can leave for all intents and purposes––as long as they don’t announce it or admit it––and people will only minimally question them about it.
Having an entrance ceremony that purports to be a big deal (since it’s a voluntary, life-long choice), but is really more of a formality (because most 13-year-olds will just get baptized because it’s what they’re supposed to do) is a big part of the problem behind this, I think. It assumes that if you get kids to commit when they’re 13, they’ll stay forever.
The reality is something closer to this: kids commit at 13, then leave at 20, and then maybe come back when they’re 35 because they have a vague feeling that their own kids should be in Sunday school and learn something about the Bible.
If this is what we want, so be it. My problem is, the whole point of believers baptism is that church membership shouldn’t work this way. We’ve drifted theologically into the beliefs of mainline Protestants (not a terrible thing, but I find their theology of baptism inadequate), but we’ve kept the forms of anabaptists.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:42 am
Not only are anabaptist congregations likely to drift toward Mainline Protestant attitudes and thus de-facto beliefs, but it seems to me that Protestants in general are drifting toward Catholic thought and practices. I dub this, “Catholic Drift.”
One of the most striking examples is the double-standard between members and clergy. This was one major difference between Catholics and Protestants at the beginning; Prots had no special rules for holiness for their ministers, or at least fewer ones. But now in Mainline Prot. circles, the big arguments are about what moral requirements to hold ministers to. The assumption is that members will not be held to any requirements.
Of course, Catholics are and were different in that they had SOME understanding of moral requirements for laity (even if they were not enforced much) and the rules for clergy were much more stringent than the ones we have now in Mainline circles. Also, some excesses are avoided because of their ecclesiology. So what works there will only cause chaos here.
I feel like Bruce McCormack sometimes in that I feel like I will be the last Protestant theologian standing.
I don’t know how important infant vs. adult baptism is (I don’t really think the term “believers baptism” accurately captures the difference). But one could see it as a particularly clear and visible sign of a much greater problem.
That problem is, I think, illustrated by the story of Peter trying to walk on the water in Matthew 14:28-33. Peter took his eyes off Jesus and instead focused on the wind around him, which among other things showed the miraculous character of what was happening (vs. 30), and he was afraid and began to sink. Only by realizing his desperation, calling to the Lord for help, did he escape.
Just like this, I think, the Church is always tempted to look at itself, its “context,” etc., instead of resolutely looking at Christ, and when it does this it sinks. This is true whether they realize it or not, whether they think that in their context they can find support for the faith or ways to undermine it. Catholic thought is distinctive in finding support for the faith in philosophy and nature, etc. (not an uncontroversial claim, but I’ll stand by it). Protestants also do so, or drift toward that practice, and when they do so they split, because they don’t have a Pope to hold them together. Because this is an inherently fracturing process, in my opinion.
When you look around for support for the faith, you “settle in” in some part or aspects of your context, and this is analogous or even more, of a piece with the “cultural Christianity” symbolized and supported by infant baptism.
June 25th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
Pretty compelling argument Scott. the trend in churches that I have experience with is a tendency to baptize children younger and younger. I wonder what the average age of children when they are baptized is?
A couple of questions.
1) How do you change a common practice in churches with no centralized decision making body or pope without appearing to split off from the church?
2) How can we include children as a part of the people of God with expectations and responsibilities yet still withhold baptism from them until age 20?
June 25th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
As someone raised in the CoC and who was baptized at 13, your post really intrigued me. I know that when I chose to be baptized, I didn’t have a clear idea of what adult faith would entail. That’s part of the reason why I’m one of those folks who elected to be “re-baptized” (I was 19 then). Still, a few of the things I’m most ashamed of doing I did in the years following Baptism #2, so then I got to wondering if I really knew what I was doing at 19, too. But I think that sort of second-guessing dismisses the very real maturing, transformative process that faith is. At 29, I’m still maturing, still continually learning more what it is to have an authentic faith, and I know the process will continue.
I agree that a young teen’s (or even younger)commitment to Christ may prove inadequate as he/she faces the challenges and questions of adulthood. However, could his or her eventual encountering of such challenges be viewed as just part of the maturing, transformative process?
June 25th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
Jason–I do think that young expressions of faith are an important part of maturing. But we already teach 8-year-olds to sing songs about how they believe in Jesus, so I would think that we could acknowledge that 15-year-olds have real faith, but that they just don’t have enough experience with life to have adult faith.
If baptism were just for forgiveness, 13 would be fine. But since it’s also an entrance into life as a Christian, I’m arguing it should be an adult decision. We don’t ask 13-year-olds to make other kinds of adult decisions, so I don’t see why we should pick 13 as the age for making their most important adult decision.
Unless it’s because, deep down inside, we want to get them dunked before they’re old enough that they’re likely to change their mind.
Consider this: it’s commonplace for people to talk about how young adults, even when they’re already baptized, need to develop their own faith in their late teens and early twenties. This assumes that it’s ok for a young teen to get baptized based on their parents’ faith.
But why? How is that really all that different than baptizing a 4-year-old? Can’t a 4-year-old agree that they’re a sinner, and that they believe in Jesus? We already know, intuitively, that most kids first develop their own faith in their late teens, not their early teens. Shouldn’t baptism be based on their own faith, not their parents’?
June 26th, 2007 at 5:38 pm
@Micah: I suppose if it’s a good idea, and if it’s biblical (which I think it is), then there would be a forum for it somewhere–lectureships somewhere, or the Christian Chronicle, maybe.
But overall, I think it would be difficult to persuade parents to have their kids wait until 20 for baptism.
This is partly because it’s a long-standing tradition to baptize kids as soon as they intellectually understand sin and the significance of Jesus’ baptsim. And there’s a reason we’ve done it at that early age too–there are good arguments for it.
The other reason parents won’t want to put off their kids’ baptism is because it seems risky. Again, this is a totally reasonable concern for parents who want to make sure their kids are saved.
However, I think waiting is only risky if we’re working on the assumption that it’s better for a kid to get baptized young and then leave the church than it is for a kid to grow up without ever getting baptized at all. But that assumption is best suited to infant baptism, not to believers baptism.
I don’t think there would be many kids who we would actually lose simply because they weren’t baptized at 13. We still would involve young people in the life of the church throughout their teenage years like we do now, and the ones who still believed when they hit 20 would get baptized.
By age 25, my money says that the same people would be attending church, as if they had been baptized at 13. The difference is, the ones who don’t believe, and thus who will have left the church anyway by age 25, won’t have been baptized.
This isn’t foolproof. I’m sure there would still be 20-year-olds who would get baptized to please their parents. Maybe I should be pressing for age 23 or 24 instead.
The pastoral nightmare of this whole thing is that it would force parents to admit when their grown kids don’t believe in Jesus. But is baptism about playing a game to make ourselves feel better (if it is, infant baptism would involve a lot less anxiety for parents), or is it about testifying to the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, working in the lives of people who have genuine faith?
June 27th, 2007 at 5:31 am
I think the phrase “adult faith” was throwing me off a bit. Initially I read it to mean a form of mature faith; however, it seems you’re using it to mean choosing to follow Christ once one becomes an adult. (At what age is someone considered an adult?) I’m I following you correctly?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:23 am
Scott,
It seems part of the problem is working with a kind of magical view of baptism, like the Catholic “Ex Opere Operato.” If and to the extent that people in your denom. have that view, your proposal will not only freak people out about their kids, but also about themselves. They might take your criticisms to imply that their OWN baptisms were “invalid” and thus that their own salvation is imperiled. That’s why Anabaptists are ANA-baptists. The first one wasn’t valid so it has to be repeated. Am I on to something?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:34 am
Jknott, I think you are very much on to something. I think that is the great challenge of changing anything in the church. It is not the intellectual or biblical argument that is the major roadblock. It is having to acknowledge that their own (or their parents’) practice of faith was somehow invalid. That really freaks people out.
However, I don’t look back on my own baptism (which was very early, age 11) and think that it was invalid or that God did not come and work through that event. I actually did make that decision as an act of repentence and a desire to follow Christ.
We will have to work out our theology of forgiveness of sins and the indwelling of the Spirit and how that relates to children and baptism.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Jason said: Initially I read [”adult faith”] to mean a form of mature faith; however, it seems you’re using it to mean choosing to follow Christ once one becomes an adult.
No, I am using “adult faith” to mean “mature faith,” not just faith that a person happens to have as an adult. I think that 13-year-olds often look like they have adult faith, because they have a cognitive understanding of the concepts of Christianity. I’m saying, though, that most people go through experiences and questions between roughly ages 18 and 24 that make them better suited to decide if they want to be a Christian for the rest of their life.
There’s not some specific age where every person becomes an adult, but I’m saying that for the vast majority of people, that age is certainly closer to 20 than it is to 13.
I really think the marriage analogy works well here: 13-year-olds aren’t typically mature enough to pick a mate, but 24-year-olds typically are. There are exceptions both ways, I’m sure, but we’re talking round figures. In the same way, I think hardly any 13-year-olds are mature enough to know whether they want to be a Christian for the rest of their life, but most 24-year-olds are.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
micah said: …the great challenge of changing anything in the church…is having to acknowledge that their own (or their parents’) practice of faith was somehow invalid.
The one thing that might help ease the transition on something like this is that we all have to admit that we’re working with a gray area of Scripture in the first place. The Bible simply never gives a specific age of accountability (unless it’s 20!), and in fact the Bible never even uses the phrase “age of accountability.”
Surely everyone would agree that judging things like kids’ ability to sin, their knowledge of right and wrong, and their understanding of Christian doctrine are all matters of degree. Most churches, I imagine, will allow baptisms at 8 as sure as at 14, and we can all see very clear differences between 8 and 14.
To say that 20 is better shouldn’t have to imply that 13 is bad. I was baptized at 13, and I have no doubt at all that it was valid. I just think it would have been better if it had been at 20.
But then I’m probably being idealistic. I imagine you’re right that people would get extremely defensive about this.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
This might offend even more people, but this is part of why I think that denominations, like, say, wineskins, almost inevitably get old and need to be replaced. If you want the “once for all” established church, then go to Rome or give up. Even if it is not absolutely inevitable that a denomination will degenerate, it will take constant vigilance to prevent this, more vigilance than most of us have.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
interesting discussion. i am most definately not qualified to even comment but alas im typing anyway.
i suppose i was one of the later people to be baptized in our group. around 15/6 i suppose. when is not nearly as important as why.
if i were to compare my understanding of faith and forgiveness now at 28 to what it was then there would a huge gap between.
as a teacher in my church and as someone that wants to present himself as a role model to our youth, what position should i take?
i have never pushed baptism to my class. mainly because they are 5 and 6 year olds. but my wife and i do try to give them examples of faith.
doesnt baptism, represent an announcement of faith to your peers in addition to being cleasned of sin and receiving the Holy Spirit?
next month our youth are going on a mission trip and i will be going with them as a sponsor. i have no idea what to expect during the trip. i am not going with expections either. i simply hope to be a good mentor to the youth and make sure i dont drive the van off the road.
im sure the the end of that week i will have run into situations where the topic baptism comes up. i guess i should start brushing up on my New Testament.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
I wonder how much impact adults in the church have on the age when kids get baptized. I’m pretty sure adults could push the age earlier if they taught about it a lot at early ages, and then prodded kids to get baptized when they were, say, 10.
scotts wrote: doesnt baptism, represent an announcement of faith to your peers in addition to being cleasned of sin and receiving the Holy Spirit?
Yeah, and I think this is where things get tricky. 13-year-olds are notorious for doing things just because their peers are watching. I know, because I used to be a 13-year-old.
Psychologists say that the teen years are the time when young people develop their identity. On the one hand, this would suggest that we should make sure kids are developing their identity in Christ. On the other hand, how are they supposed to decide whether to be a Christian or not if they haven’t developed an identity?
Psychology shouldn’t drive everything, but young people who haven’t developed an identity yet are incredibly prone to changing with those around them. A 13-year-old will get baptized at church because that’s what the kids there are doing, and then go mess around at a party because that’s what the kids there are doing.
Sure, 20-year-olds (and 40-year-olds, and 60-year-olds) are hypocrites too, but the 13-year-old who hasn’t developed an identity might not even know that he’s being inconsistent. Kids’ minds are seriously haywire–they show moments of remarkable clarity, and then the next moment they’re doing something awful, totally oblivious to the fact that it might not be right.
To me, that should show that they are not, indeed, accountable yet.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:02 am
scotts wrote: doesnt baptism, represent an announcement of faith to your peers in addition to being cleansed of sin and receiving the Holy Spirit
scoots wrote: Yeah, and I think this is where things get tricky. 13-year-olds are notorious for doing things just because their peers are watching. I know, because I used to be a 13-year-old.
I am teaching preschoolers but I know I also have an impact on the teens. Next week we will be for Louisiana and even though i have not been to this camp yet, I am sure there will be an onslaught of baptisms before it is through. It will be interesting to observe them. It will be unlikely that I get to know any of youth outside our Church’s group very well, but the article will be on my mind.
July 4th, 2007 at 6:23 am
In all this truly excellent discussion, I’m still unclear about what, if any, relationship exists between being baptized and being saved. My understanding of orthodox CofC (I’m an outsider here, so bear with me) is that baptism really is necessary for eternal salvation. No baptism, no kingdom of heaven. So it would help me to better understand this discussion if I understood the underlying beliefs of the folks in this discussion about this relationship.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
Charles-
Thanks for asking. As I see it, the main theological arguments at stake here are: (1) that original sin, classically defined, isn’t a biblical concept; and (2) that the Bible indicates that baptism is necessary for salvation (1 Peter 3:21, and perhaps John 3:5, if it’s talking about baptism).
In other words, we’re only accountable for sins we actually commit, and we have to be cleansed of them through baptism in order to be saved.
I’m not a great source for a fuller explanation here, because I don’t fully buy into orthodox CofC doctrine. I do ascribe to major parts of our traditional interpretation of Scripture, in that I think the CofC is “right” that believers baptism is what Scripture commands, and that we are to understand baptism as the point of salvation, not just an obedient response to salvation that God has given through faith.
On the other hand, I think that God relates to the church according to our weakness, and not always according to strict adherence to Scripture. So I’m pretty sure that God will “honor” infant baptism for those who grow into their faith. But I still think God wants us to practice believers baptism.
Unfortunately, my position is wide open to attack by both CofC folks (who will say I should take Scripture at its word that those who aren’t baptized aren’t saved) and by evangelicals (who will say that I’m ignoring passages that say we are saved as soon as we believe).
I do have a response to these, although it’s more than I can get into in this post, and it involves my reading of Paul, and also my understanding of exactly what Scripture is and exactly how God wants the church to use it.
For anyone who’s curious about how I approach these questions, I have my basic approach to Scripture here, and a partial discussion of Paul’s notion of salvation here.
July 7th, 2007 at 6:41 am
Your response (“ . . . we’re only accountable for sins we actually commit, and we have to be cleansed of them through baptism in order to be saved”) clarifies the case for how baptism as a cleansing and as commitment should occur at that moment the believer understands what he has done (cleansing) and what he is doing (committing). Thank you.
But your response also raises another question. If we have to be cleansed of our sins through baptism in order to be saved, why would baptism not occur at the end of our lives? Or on a periodic basis throughout our lifetime? I suspect my problem now is not understanding what is meant by “saved” (or perhaps your “point of salvation.”). I apologize for these Theology 101 questions and appreciate your patience.
July 29th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
excellent point, Scott. I would love for you to publish an op-ed piece using this reasoning to argue against the death penalty and adult sentences for minors.