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Christianity among the religionsPosted by Scott Haile under apocalypticism, world religions, inspiration of scripture | | |
Cody asked a couple of questions I really like concerning my previous post. Since I don’t think I can answer them briefly, I’ll do it in at least a couple of different posts. Here’s the first question: Do you find the Word of God (or word of God) in other sources as well (ancient or modern)? This could refer to at least two different kinds of sources: non-biblical sources from within the Christian faith, and non-Christian sources from other religions. For this post, I’ll try to address the latter. Basically, do other religions reveal the Word of God? To begin with, I should say that I consider this an open question. I feel like you have to say that God can reveal Godself in any way at any time, assuming we believe in a God who is free. Some people try to get away with limiting God’s revelation by claiming that God has already announced, in Scripture, that Scripture is God’s final revelation; they would judge, then, that they’re not limiting what God can do but only holding God to God’s word, as it were. (I wish there were a less cumbersome way to write in gender-inclusive language…) This is an attractive idea, especially since it would limit the amount of data theologians have to work with. However, since Scripture appears to contradict itself in any number of places, insisting that God always behave in agreement with Scripture (as if it’s monolithic) is hugely problematic. Because of this, I’m convinced that there may well be truth from God revealed outside of Scripture. This is hardly a stretch for a Christian, since at least one passage in the Bible says God is revealed outside of Scripture. Paul writes in Romans 1:19-20: For what can be known about God is plain to [the wicked], because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. Do other religions reveal the Word of God? Although I am open in theory to other sources of revelation, practically speaking I don’t think the Word of God is found elsewhere. That’s my short answer. For my long answer, I’ll start out by kind of showing my cards, and then afterwards I’ll explain what I ground my view in. First, I’m decidedly not a pluralist. Part of the reason I place so much weight on the Christian scriptures is that I believe God indeed intends for the Gospel of Jesus Christ to be the truth by which all experience of God is mediated. So in addressing other religions, I would follow the view that seems to be endorsed by Paul in Athens in Acts 17. We should seek common ground for discussing God with people of other faiths, but to the extent that their understandings of God differ from the God revealed in Jesus Christ, we should regard them as wrong. This favoritism toward the Christian tradition, I think, pretty much constrains my answer as to whether the word of God is revealed in other religions. Claiming that Jesus is the ultimate revelation of truth is tantamount to saying that God isn’t revealed in other religions, since their claims to truth would have no independent claim to credibility. If they’re only true when they happen to agree with the Bible, then they don’t have any real credibility. They may be interesting texts to reflect on, but that hardly means they contain God’s special revelation. Personally, I would claim that the world’s religions are human efforts to understand God based on natural theology, human experience, reason, and creativity. The natural theology those religions engage is fine, as far as it goes, but their human efforts to further define the truth about God, I would say, are more or less futile. Beyond recognizing the existence of a transcendent God who created the world, we are hopelessly reliant on God’s own self-revelation to learn anything true about God. Judaism, in this reading, is based on scriptures that are true but incomplete. The Koran’s truth, I would say, is basically derivative from the Jewish and Christian traditions is uses. That, essentially, is how I view the relationship between Christianity and the other world religions. No offence is intended, of course, and I assume that many adherents of other religions would make claims about my faith that are similar to those I have made about theirs. If you’re not a pluralist, it’s kind of the nature of the beast. To say that other relgions involve human efforts hardly gets me off the hook in defending Christian theology. It appears that the Bible is also a product of human thinking and work, so someone might ask whether we can sift the truth from it any better than from the Koran. Exactly how to get at that truth contained in the Christian scriptures is an exceedingly complicated process, and I think (as many do) that ultimately it depends on study, prayer, and discernment within Christian communities. The best I can do for now is explain why I think it’s reasonable to see the Christian faith as claiming universal validity as, roughly speaking, the one true religion. Basically, I’ll try to show why I think the Bible is incompatible with religious pluralism. How could it be the only truth? One difficulty with my position is that I can’t deny that God can reveal Godself in other religions, even in ways that contradict the Christian scriptures. The reason I still argue that God doesn’t reveal Godself in other religions is that pluralism appears to contradict not just occasional passages of the Bible, but rather the major presuppositions concerning the person of Jesus Christ throughout the entirety of the Christian canon. The problem is the combination, consistent in the New Testament writings, between (1) Jesus’ historical particularity and (2) Jesus’ universal significance. First, let’s consider Jesus’ historical particularity. If we were only talking about God in the abstract, and not Jesus the historical person, we could say that different religions simply had access to different parts of the truth about God. But historically speaking, it seems clear that the other world religions don’t have equal access to facts about Jesus. Islam is the only other religion I know of whose scriptures have any doctrinal claims about Jesus, but the Koran can only make claims as a work written by a later interpreter, in contrast to the authors of the Christian scriptures, at least some of whom had access to eyewitnesses of Jesus’ ministry. Some would claim that other early Christian groups had access to true traditions about Jesus, and this is certainly possible. Various traditions later condemned as heretical, such as Gnostic groups, may have been founded based on teachings of people who were as closely connected to Jesus as the authors of the canonical Gospels. The problem is that efforts to connect any of the extant Gnostic texts (i.e., those we have copies of) to real historical traditions independent of the New Testament are questionable; in other words, most Gnostic texts appear to be simply re-interpretations of the New Testament. It is commonplace these days for people who resent Christian orthodoxy to gravitate to Gnostic texts and lend them more historical credibility, it seems to me, than they merit. While their hypotheses could be correct, a responsible historian lends more credibility to the best available evidence. And as boring as it sounds, the New Testament writings are probably the most credible historical sources, by far, for Jesus and his disciples. That doesn’t make them pure history by any means, but it does suggest they have a credibility that later writings lack. If the earliest Gnostic groups had their own real traditions that they could trace back to Jesus, it appears that those traditions aren’t available (or at any rate, identifiable) to us anymore. And it’s quite possible that those traditions simply didn’t exist until later, and that they have no real link with the historical Jesus or his immediate disciples. The second point I mentioned above is the universal significance that the New Testament ascribes to Jesus. Almost every book in the NT is written from an apocalyptic perspective, anticipating a universal end of time with Jesus as the key figure. Modern theology tends to set this aside by emphasizing Christianity as an existential religion, whose goal is more about experience of God, finding meaning in life, and improving / redeeming the world around us. But from the apocalyptic perspectives of, e.g., Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, and the author of Revelation, religion deals with an objective reality that includes a coming day of judgment that all people will face. The closest thing to a non-apocalyptic perspective among the NT Gospels is John, which in certain senses de-historicizes salvation by making it present now rather than focused on the future. However, it still speaks of the last day (e.g., John 6:40), on which humans will be raised to be judged. Furthermore, even if salvation is somewhat de-historicized, Jesus remains decidedly historical as the Word of God who became flesh at a real point in time and lived a genuine human life. John has that historical Jesus make claims such as, “I am the Way, and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except by me.” If the Exclusive Way to the Father became flesh in a particular place, it is difficult to see (by the definition of exclusive) how another religion could claim to reveal other ways to that same Father. The point of this is not to use proof texts to make a point, but rather to suggest that the basic perspectives of the New Testament writings point to a universal application of the story of Jesus that is difficult to reconcile with pluralism. Jesus was a real historical person, so we can’t envision him as an idea that is revealed in different ways in other religions. Yet all the earliest interpretations of his person and ministry (at least those that are still extant) saw him as having a universal significance that leaves little room for interpreting him as just one of a variety of religious figures such as Buddha or perhaps Gandhi. Other ways out We could simply say that the New Testament is wrong on these points, that these interpretations of Jesus’ person and mission were simply created by early interpreters and used to shape the scriptures. But if those foundational elements are inaccurate, it is difficult to say why any of the NT’s teachings should carry continuing validity. In the end, many people will conclude that the Christian tradition is deeply flawed and yet wish to keep what they can of it. For me, however, this amounts to wishful thinking––picking and choosing religious beliefs according to what appeals to us and then suggesting they are most likely true. Whether my own beliefs are wishful thinking as well remains to be determined. However, I still think there are very good historical reasons to conclude that Jesus’ New Testament interpreters drew their primary ideas (such as apocalypticism) from real teachings of Jesus, and that a great deal of what they wrote is trustworthy historically and not just as a faith tradition. To make the case more specifically, I’ll have to put off for future posts. |
April 2nd, 2007 at 9:26 am
I’m not sure how you can arrive at exclusivity without making a circular argument. I mean, it sounds to me like you’re saying, “The Bible says the Bible is exclusively true so the Bible must be exclusively true.”
April 2nd, 2007 at 10:40 am
Matt, that has been my frustration too.
Stott said, “But if those foundational elements are inaccurate, it is difficult to say why any of the NT’s teachings should carry continuing validity.”
I don’t think that is necessarily the case. I think there are reasons to believe biblical ideas even if you believe the foundational elements to be inaccurate. The biggest reason for me to believe something is true is if it works. I believe I should love my neighbor and my enemy not because those things are found in the Bible, but because it works, because it has shown that it makes my world and the world of those around me a better place to live.
April 2nd, 2007 at 12:22 pm
I would argue that loving your enemy doesn’t always work. I’m sure there are plenty of people who have tried to be nice and love their enemies yet still got the blade of a sword or a bullet from a gun. There are plenty of people who say that killing your enemies is a more effective way to ensure safety and a better place to live.
What works is not insignificant but I think the definition of truth is found somewhere else.
April 2nd, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Matthew said: I’m not sure how you can arrive at exclusivity without making a circular argument.
I wasn’t trying to argue that the Bible is true (which would have been circular), but only that it’s incompatible with pluralism. If the Bible said “pluralism is wrong,” then there would be nothing circular about saying that the Bible and pluralism are incompatible. I think that most parts of the Bible are almost that explicit that pluralism is wrong.
I might roughly adapt your comment and say: “The Bible says the Bible is exclusively true, so if the Bible is true, then the Bible must be exclusively true.”
Now that doesn’t work exactly, because I’m not holding that everything in the Bible is uniformly true. On many points, you could claim that the Bible is simply wrong, so that we can try to lay aside, say, its sexism, and move on with our interpretation.
The thing about apocalypticism is that it’s not only pervasive in the New Testament, but it’s also the foundation for most of the theological claims the texts make. Paul, for example, bases his entire theology on the idea that Christ inaugurated the end times. In the Synoptic Gospels, John the Baptist and Jesus call the people to repent because the Kingdom of God is at hand; we like to interpret this existentially, as I said in the post, but (although I believe N.T. Wright disagrees on this point) the Gospels are pretty clear that the Kingdom is to be understood in apocalyptic perspective.
If you get rid of the apocalypticism, you’re basically left with moral teachings, which are great, but which I don’t think constitute a religion (see my next comment).
April 2nd, 2007 at 6:30 pm
Micah, the principle is: if everyone lived by this (insert teaching here) then the world would be a better place.
Of course some people are killed because they live the teachings of Jesus. Jesus said that would happen too. But I doubt anyone would argue that living “love your neighbor, love your enemy” wouldn’t make the world a better place if everyone partook.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 pm
I agree…if we all lived the teachings of Jesus then the world would be a better place. But, practically speaking, what are the chances that everyone will partake? Or perhaps this is a better question: Is living the teachings of Jesus a good strategy to get others to partake?
I hope the answer is “Yes.” But I think we are called to live these “truths” regardless of their effectiveness.
We also will have to deal with the question of who decides what is a better place to live actually is. I think this will affect our view of the Jesus’ teachings. If his teachings fit our view of a better world then we will live them. However, if they don’t, then we will not. It seems inevitable that some people will partake and others will not - if each of us gets to decide for ourselves. Therefore, I’m not sure my living the teachings of Jesus will make much difference in the long run.
I think that the only way all people will partake is if they see that the person of Jesus, because of who he is, is the source of truth. We should obey him because of his authority to decide what a better world is. I obey because I trust that His world is a better one than mine. My hope is that He will make sure the world becomes “a better place.”
April 3rd, 2007 at 10:10 am
Well, Micah, I guess we see things differently.
April 3rd, 2007 at 10:46 am
Scott you bring up a lot of things that I’ve been struggling with during my time at seminary. We do live in a pluralistic society that is forcing us to deal with the question of whether are beliefs are the only strue beliefs. And more specifically, whether Christianity offers to only way to know God.
A book that I read recently that offers a different perspective is “The Depth of Riches: A Trinitarian Theology of Religious Ends” by S. Mark Heim. Heim uses the analogy of relationship to describe how other religions may in fact lead to knowledge or relationship with God that is just as true as Christianity, but different. The analogy goes something like this: Just as I might know Scott on one level, for example, as a friend. Scott’s mother knows him on a different level as a son. I may know Scott in ways, and in fact more deeply than Scott’s mom knows him, and vice-versa. With God, then, Buddhists may experience and know God deeply on levels that Christians only know in a limited way. For example, Muslims stress the transcendence of God more than Christians. While Christians relate to God in his transcendence, they don’t do it to the same depth that Muslims do.
In other words, other religions may stress and know some aspects of/relationship with God more deeply and fully than Christians are able to do. The Christian would accept, then, that other religions can know God in ways that he or she can’t, but those ways are still true and valid. However, the Christian bias would be that knowing God as God as revealed in Jesus Christ is the fullest and most comprehensive way to relate to God.
Heim proposes that we approach other religions with the stance that they know God more deeply in some ways than we do and thus we can learn more about God by their revelation than we could otherwise know. Christians would claim then that knowing God in these deep, but narrow, ways is not as fulfilling or desirable as knowing God revealed in Jesus.
I don’t know if I agree or not, but his proposal seems like it might offer a valid approach to this problem so we don’t have to deny the exclusivity of Christianity and the possiblity that God reveals God’s self in other religions.
April 3rd, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Fair enough, Cody. To put a positive spin on our disagreement - even if we don’t agree on the reason why we should love our neighbor and our enemy, at least we are both trying to live it.
Scott, I’d be interested to see if you think my reasoning in previous comments supports or is insignificant in determinig if the Bible’s truth is exclusive.
April 3rd, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Scott’s opinion is not the only one worth hearing, so I’d be interested in other peoples perspectives as well.
April 3rd, 2007 at 2:50 pm
I think you’re right Micah. At some point, you have to come to grips that Jesus is the Son of God and that he rose from the dead before you can see his vision for how to make the world a better place as having any authority. There are other competing theories of what a better place to live means.
April 3rd, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Scott,
Saying things like that will only get you thrown to the lions.
What is interesting…perhaps ironic..about modern pluralism is that it is, in my view, structurally identical to Grecco-Roman philosophical views of religion, and in some ways the very thing early Christians denied(Tertullian being a prime example–see his “Prescription Against the Heretics”). That being true, it is in no way the inevitable result of new knowledge from science or history or whatever you will.
Hellenistic thinkers found Christian claims to the exclusivity (particularity and universality) of Christ to be not only offensive, but unintelligible. Thus, the several-centuries-long battle to weed out any Christology that denied either side of the equation.
Modern pluralists, who ironically are often the most adamantly against the supposed “Hellenization” of Christianity, actually repeat the same heresies ad infinitum, and for the same reasons.
Is it any wonder that this all coincides, roughly, with the rediscovery of ancient Hellenistic culture with the Renaissance? Or that the most blatant example is Unitarianism? After all, the Trinity is a doctrine derived from Christology, one that tried to explain how the particular universal one could be this and also in relation to God as Father. Unitarianism dissolves this problem by denying Christ’s exclusivity, and looks a lot like a resurgence of Platonism.
By the way, I live just down the road from “The Unity Temple,” a Unitarian place of worship built by Frank Lloyd Wright and looking suspiciously, in fact deliberately, like an ancient Greek building.
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Oh yeah, one more thing.
On Romans 1 and natural theology. I think it essential to the understanding of this text to understand the Hellenistic Jewish context, especially in light of the Wisdom of Solomon. Wisdom berates gentiles for their lack of knowledge of God that they should have had (13:1-9). Then he says that their idolotry caused them to sin (14:12ff). Then he says that Jews are kept from sinning by their faith, or in any case God forgives them because they are “His” (15:1-3). Sound familiar?
But it is a blatant, if common, mistake to assume Paul in Rom. 1 is simply repeating this argument. First, and most important for this discussion, he says that the gentiles are guilty not because they fail to HAVE knowledge of God (as Wisdom had said) but because they fail to ACT on the knowledge they have already. It is, in short, a problem of will. As such, the solution must be on the same level. Therefore, natural theology is not so much undermined as rendered superflous, IMHO.
Of course, Paul then undermines (if subtly) the assumptions that (1) idolatry ITSELF causes sin, and (2) belief in the true God either prevents sinning or at all excuses it. The first assumption is still, inexplicably, a common one in modern scholarly interpretation of the text. In fact, Paul says that because of the idolatrous turning away from God, God leaves the gentiles to their own devices and then their inherent sinful (read: God-less) state manifests itself. No direct connection between idolatry and sin.
[stepping off his soap box]
April 3rd, 2007 at 11:10 pm
JKnott-
Good catch on the Wisdom of Solomon, and I like the points you make about Romans. Wisdom (the short name of the book) is definitely important as background for reading Romans, and I had forgotten about it. (If anyone wants to read the Wisdom of Solomon online, you can find it here.) Wisdom also has some pretty crazy stuff that lies behind the passion narratives in the Gospels––I need to post on that some time.
April 3rd, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Micah said: Scott, I’d be interested to see if you think my reasoning in previous comments supports or is insignificant in determinig if the Bible’s truth is exclusive.
Yeah, I really liked your last comment especially. If I’m understanding you correctly, people would see the moral teachings of Jesus and the life he lived, and that would lead them to conclusions about who Jesus was –– i.e., that he really is one who spoke truth and is worthy of serving as Lord. And then from that, they would start to accept his other teachings, even those that might not be as clear logically, based on the conclusion that he really is from God and that his teachings really will save/improve the world.
I think this is basically the rationale I hold to in support of my faith.
April 4th, 2007 at 12:08 am
@scott:
“On many points, you could claim that the Bible is simply wrong, so that we can try to lay aside, say, its sexism, and move on with our interpretation.”
Nod, and as you might expect, I think - given the good behavior of people outside the Christian tradition - the Bible’s exclusivism would be one of the things to lay aside, or at least take with a grain of salt.
Sure, the Greco-Roman culture was pluralistic and the apocalyptic thread in the NT is strong, but those observations don’t prove a thing - if anything, they provide a reason to jettison the exclusivism as just an attempt to brand Christianity as different from the surrounding culture.
Sure, the church spent centuries trying to stamp out “heresies” about the divinity of Christ, but really, nobody knows what the heck “divinity of Christ” even means.
Given how little we understand about God, and how poorly we sometimes behave, I’m inclined to give a skeptical eye to the Bible’s exclusivism and give these other religious traditions the benefit of the doubt.
April 4th, 2007 at 9:03 am
Matthew:
Your logic baffles me. Christians wanted to brand their tradition as unique, and so they reject pluralism and adopt exclusivism? Why would they WANT to mark themselves off as unique if they weren’t ALREADY exclusivists??? All that got them was martyrdom.
All I was trying to “prove,” if anything, with the comments about the Hellenistic philosophers, was that modern pluralism is nothing essentially new, so that the claim (not necessarily yours) that these days we are so smart and know how many different views there are of God (or “the divine”), and so are forced to be pluralists, is bogus.
There’s no way to “prove” that Christian exclusiveness is true, but no way to prove it isn’t either. It’s at least as plausible to say that Christianity’s exclusivism is of its essence as to argue otherwise.
Unless we could agree to some basic presuppositions, this discussion may just have to end with an agreement to disagree.
And I think we know, and can know, enough about what Christ’s divinity means. No, no such that we could prove it scientifically, but enough.
April 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
“Why would they WANT to mark themselves off as unique if they weren’t ALREADY exclusivists??? All that got them was martyrdom.”
The Divinity of Christ push didn’t really happen on a large scale until after the Council of Nicea. After that, presenting Christianity as exclusive seems to have been a position of power, not persecution.
April 5th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
Cody:
Could you define “the divinity of Christ push,” and “large scale” ?
Then, tell me what the supposed relevance of that is.
Thanks
April 5th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
The divinity of Christ was largely debated before the council of Nicea (at least the nature of Jesus was debated). The divinity of Christ is directly tied to the exclusivity of Christianity.
April 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
The divinity of Christ has always been debated and will always be debated. Only those who don’t believe in it think that is relevant. If you equate Christ’s divinity to the BELIEF IN Christ’s divinity (the only point worth fighting for concerning “Christian Exclusivism”), the game is already over before you start to play. If you don’t, every pluralist argument is a non-sequitur.
This is the same argument that gets repeated over and over ad nauseum at (at least mainline) seminaries and it can never go anywhere.
April 5th, 2007 at 6:08 pm
Yeah, I’m not sure I follow that argument, Cody. Especially if you go back to where this discussion started, in whether Scripture presents Christ as divine and the Christian faith as exclusive.
The Gospel of John has “I and the Father are one,” Paul quotes an early Christian hymn that seems to say that Jesus was in the “form of God” but set it aside to become human, and the synoptic Gospels probably hint at Jesus’ divinity (i.e., “Who can forgive sins but God alone?”) even if they don’t come out and say it.
Plus, Jesus’ divinity isn’t the only way to get to exclusivism. Matthew and Luke both have a passage where Jesus says, “All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him” (Lk 10:22). Since it’s in both Matthew and Luke, it was probably in Q, which gets dated as early as the 50’s. That’s pretty early in the game that the exclusivist claim seems to have shown up. (Although I don’t know–maybe people date that part later; but still it would have been around when Matthew wrote, maybe in the 80’s.)
As I understand it, the point in bringing up Nicea is that some Christian groups (which the more powerful/influential church leaders called heretics) disputed Jesus’ divinity despite various scriptures’ apparent claims of his divinity.
But that still doesn’t explain why there were claims of Jesus’ divinity way back in the first century, or what the disciples’ motives would have been for making them up and declaring the Christian faith exclusive.
To me, the clear reason was that the historical Jesus was an eschatological Jewish prophet, which is as exclusive of a message as you can get. Once they were convinced that he had risen from the dead, his eschatological claims would have been verified from their perspective.
We can say they were wrong if we want, but I still don’t see historical grounds for saying those features weren’t present at the earliest level of the tradition–meaning Jesus himself.
Which, again, is why I’m claiming that the entire basis of the Christian faith appears to reject pluralism.
April 26th, 2007 at 11:22 am
Matthew said, “I’m not sure how you can arrive at exclusivity without making a circular argument.”
Well… (as I’ve asserted before),
It is impossible to arrive at the conclusion that murder is wrong without making a circular argument.
A circular argument is nothing to be ashamed of. When a person finds God, they rejoice that truism is true.
Jknott,
Idolatry certainly is sin. Idolatry also causes further sin. For those who worship idols become like the idols they worship.
That said, your insight into Romans 1 is interesting.
Of course, Christianity is exclusive. In John, we see Jesus claiming to be “I AM!” (quite significant) The early believers preached the gospel everywhere with fire and passion and with the annointing of the Holy Spirit. Well before the Council of Nicea, we have the events of the Book of Acts. How anyone can read the book of Acts and come to the conclusion that Jesus is not an exclusivist baffles me. In reality, the reason why it is debated at all is because sinful men are trying to create Jesus in their image. Not such a good idea. They are messing with “I AM!”
October 27th, 2007 at 10:32 am
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