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The Elect and Divine JusticePosted by Scott Haile under covenant, Revelation of John, genocide, violence | | |
NOTE: At the tail end of my last post, Matt and “friend” are just getting into a discussion of whether there are errors in Scripture; in the meantime, I’ll be pressing on here with another angle on divine violence. ANOTHER NOTE: Let us be clear up-front that I believe Christ has commanded clearly and without exception that Christians are to work for peace in the world and are not to use violence against one another or against outsiders. Violence, as I will continue to argue, is a specifically divine prerogative, and Christ has given no indication that God wishes us to carry it out for him any more. I have argued for a Scriptural consistency in God’s use of violence as a means of punishment; here I’ll suggest why Christ would renounce violence himself and teach his followers to do the same. Though I believe Christ reveals God to us, I do not think his stance against violence means God opposes violence per se. Rather, I would argue that Jesus’ teaching and practice on this point reflect (1) the new covenant being established and (2) the nature and purpose of the Incarnation. Within God’s various covenants, he uses violence in various ways. At the time of the flood, God has no particular covenant with the people, so he judges them according to their thoughts and behavior, which are only wicked all the time (Gen 6:5). He punishes them with an unmediated act of divine violence. Later, God violently delivers Israel from Egypt in accordance with his covenant with Abraham. Israel is his elected people, and God uses (again, unmediated) violence against their enemies to establish and uphold his covenant with the elect. When God gives Israel the promised land as a part of his covenant with them, the violence against the Canaanites is carried out by the elect, at God’s command. Later, in the conquest of Israel and Judah by Assyria and Babylon, the violence is directed against the elect and carried out by others, apparently through God’s manipulation of geopolitical circumstances. It is worth noting that this violence still upholds God’s covenant with the elect; Deuteronomy warns that God will use violence to instruct sinful Israel so that it can follow God faithfully in the future. It is also worth noting that in these examples God uses violence by at least four different means: forces of nature, (e.g., the flood), his own hand (the angel of death in the Exodus), the people of his covenant (in Canaan), and other nations (Assyria and Babylon). The biggest theological problem I know of in the OT is the genocide described in the conquest of Canaan. Theologically, I would argue that this extreme violence is grounded in God’s election of Israel to be a people to serve him exclusively. Israel is not undeserving of the same kind of destruction (Deut 9:4-6), and in fact God has nearly destroyed them on more than one occasion. But, it is evident that Israel will not serve Yahweh exclusively if followers of other gods are present, and this is one stated rationale for wiping out men, women, and children (Deut 7:2-6). God’s primary concern is the purity of Israel, and he acts accordingly. Whether we can accept that rationale or not, it is grounded in God’s covenant with his elect. The only defense I can think of from a Christian perspective is that this is what was necessary for God to establish a people through whom he could bring Christ to the world. Of course, we might suggest he should have given the matter a bit more thought. Jesus, establishing yet another covenant (the kingdom of God), is himself nonviolent not because God has changed, but because God is creating a different sort of covenant with a different group of the elect. In Christ, God throws open access to the new covenant, so that everyone alive is elected, at least if they’ll accept it. Because every outsider is a potential member of the new covenant, there is no sense in destroying them. In the conquest of Canaan, God sought to drive out certain groups to make room for the elect; now God sends the church to transform those groups into the elect. Jesus does teach nonviolence as he inaugurates the kingdom of God, but it is not because that kingdom is inherently nonviolent; rather, it is because God wishes to throw open the kingdom to as many as will willingly enter before the end. Jesus’ parable of the weeds (Mt 13:24-43) reflects this situation; presumably weeds can become wheat before the harvest. Revelation describes an end time when God will unleash violence, directed primarily against the powerful (e.g., Rev 18), but also against those who serve them. Revelation hints that even this violence is intended to drive people to repentance (Rev 16:9, 11). In any event while the kingdom of God belongs by right to the meek and the peacemakers, God eventually will give it to them using violence against the powerful and the wicked. The nature of the incarnation provides a second reason why Jesus did not teach or use violence in his ministry. Christ, as God in the flesh setting an example for how humans are to act toward one another, behaves according to God’s wishes for humanity. God insists that the new covenant under Christ leave every opportunity for every person to repent and turn to God. God himself may remove the opportunity for repentance at times (e.g., Ananias and Sapphira), but the believer is not allowed to take that initiative (Rom 12:19). In my opinion, the reason for the discrepancy between divine and human behavior is that God can be truly just, while a human agent lacks the full knowledge and consistent character to always judge justly. If a Christian decided that another person’s life should be forfeit, he or she might make a mistake and unfairly take away that person’s opportunity to repent. While many people nevertheless die unfairly, a believer is not to participate in such injustice. Therefore God retains the prerogative to use violence to achieve justice, and Jesus, as a human teaching other humans, reflects this truth in his own behavior. The task of Christian theology is a constant struggle between what we want (or experience) to be true of God and what we find in Scripture. In many cases, we may feel that certain scriptures can be downplayed because they are not consistent with God’s character in Scripture as a whole. However, in this case, I continually find that it is Scripture as a whole that testifies to God (and Christ) as a divine warrior who will bring justice to the earth through violence if need be. |
June 10th, 2006 at 4:29 pm
I appreciate the disclaimer up front. =)
I guess my first question is: If God was capable of smiting people with the angel of death, why use the Israelites as mercenaries? Why not just strike the all the Canaanites dead?
(By “all the Canaanites” I obviously mean all the Canaanites *except* the ones that happened to be virgins. God would obviously want to avoid smiting any virgins.)
June 10th, 2006 at 7:17 pm
I can’t figure out which virgins you keep talking about; actually, Deuteronomy insists that the Israelites are not allowed to take foreign women as their wives, and Solomon is set up as an example of how men tend to worship the gods of their foreign wives. I suspect that their killing of virgins along with men would actually set Israel apart from most nations.
If you’re referring to Judges 21, where the Benjamites snatch the virgin daughters of other Israelites for wives, the practice is never condoned in the eyes of God in that passage. And what’s more, Judges is essentially about how Israel goes astray without a king, so stealing other men’s daughters is probably being tacitly condemned there.
What gives?
June 10th, 2006 at 8:37 pm
I’m not sure about the virgin issue either. If true then I may be persuaded that the killing is good (from a man’s perspective).
The only defense I can think of from a Christian perspective is that this is what was necessary for God to establish a people through whom he could bring Christ to the world.
Of course the Old Testament makes it clear that Israel does not follow through and kill everyone. So apparently it is not necessary.
June 11th, 2006 at 1:04 am
Yeah, that’s a good point. Maybe I should say instead that perhaps if they had killed everyone (i.e., had been fully obedient), then God’s purpose may have actually been accomplished through Israel, but since they didn’t kill everyone he had to send Christ.
Hmm, I’m not sure I like that theologically all that much, but there is a little Scriptural support for it. In Jesus’ parable of the vineyard (Mark 12), the owner of the vineyard sent his son only after the tenants had rejected the other servants (the prophets). Since the prophets essentially called Israel to be faithful to the covenant God had made with them, you could argue that God would have preferred to reach the world somehow through that covenant with Israel.
On the other hand, since we believe as Christians that we need Christ’s death to provide a more thorough atonement than animal sacrifices could provide, I’m not sure how we’d reconcile all that.
One thing this highlights is that Jesus was a decidedly Jewish Messiah, and Paul constantly defended himself in Acts as a good Jew. So God saving the world through Israel and God saving the world through Christ are not two different things.
Not sure where to go from there, but those are some of my thoughts.
June 12th, 2006 at 8:07 am
Scoots said:
I can’t figure out which virgins you keep talking about…
Hm. I must have been confusing my genocides. It was the Midianites, in Numbers 31.
“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”
Btw, that’s Moses talking, not God. As if there’s any difference in Numbers.
June 12th, 2006 at 2:01 pm
I say why not just admit that when we read scripture we take from it what we want? It’s almost as ambiguous as life itself. We have, for example, both the non-judgmental Jesus who refuses to condemn the adulterous woman and warns about the two by four in our own eyes, and the Jesus who sends people and even cities to hell left and right, as in:
“And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? No, you will be brought down to Hades.” Luke 10:15.
“The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned.” Mark 16:16
Then we have the crabby Christ who curses fig trees.
So a bunch of different people, more and less inspired, to every appearance, write a bunch of things that basically include the sentence: “This is God’s word so it’s all true and you can’t change anything, not one jot, tittle or semi-colon.”
For the next two millenia Christians try to “connect the dots.”
I say, lighten up! Forget it! Read with discerment that begins with discerning what’s in our own hearts and minds, leaving it unecessary to seek biblical support for obvious stuff like sometimes violence makes sense but usually it doesn’t.
Don’t mean to be flip, I’m typing fast, about to leav computer for a while…
June 12th, 2006 at 2:43 pm
scoots said…
However, in this case, I continually find that it is Scripture as a whole that testifies to God (and Christ) as a divine warrior who will bring justice to the earth through violence if need be.
I think you’re right about this theme in the Old Testament. I’m less convinced about the New Testament, though. Revelation’s apocalyptic, which makes it difficult (for me at least) to distinguish the theological truths from the science fiction. And other NT references to hell and judgment seem to be either vague, or apocalyptic, or both.
June 12th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
Also, have we agreed upon a definition of “violence”? Or is that unnecessary?
June 12th, 2006 at 8:32 pm
Matt:
1) I stand corrected on the virgin question.
2) Jesus almost certainly preached apocalyptically, so I’m not sure how you could just set all that material aside. Unless you take Jesus as only a moral teacher, which is possible but has a difficult time explaining why the disciples said what they did about him.
June 12th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
Darius:
I don’t know world history as well as I should, but it seems to me that it’s not so clear in everyone’s hearts and minds that violence is inappropriate even most of the time.
OK, that gives me an excuse to get sentimental and quote some Rich Mullins lyrics. His point, I think, is that people have this notion of things turning out right in the end, even though there’s no real reason for hope (based on human history) unless there is a real God directing history toward that end.
The song is called “Maker of Noses”:
I believe there is a place
Where people live in perfect peace
Where there is food on every plate
Where work is rewarded and rest is sweet
Where the color of your skin
Won’t get you in or keep you out
Where justice reigns and truth finally wins
Its hard fought war against fear and doubt
I believe there’ll come a time
Lord, I pray it’s not too far off
There’ll be no poverty or crime
There’ll be no greed and we’ll learn how to love
Children will be safe in their homes
And there’ll be no violence out on the streets
The old will not be left alone
And the strong will learn how to care for the weak
And everyone I know wants to go there too
But when I ask them how to do it
They seem so confused
Do I turn to the left?
Do I turn to the right?
When I turned to the world they gave me this advice
They said, “Boy you just follow your heart,”
But my heart just led me into my chest
They said “Follow your nose,”
But the direction changed
Every time I went and turned my head
And they said, “Boy you just follow your dreams,”
But my dreams were only misty notions
But the Father of hearts
and the Maker of noses
And the Giver of dreams––
He’s the one I’ve chosen
And I will follow Him
And oh, I hear the voice of a million dreams
Then I wake in the world that I’m partly made of
And the world that is partly my own making
And oh, I hear the song of a heart set free
That will not be kept down
By the fury and sound
Of a world that is wasting away but keeps saying,
“Boy, you just follow your heart…”
June 13th, 2006 at 8:39 am
scoots said:
OK, that gives me an excuse to get sentimental and quote some Rich Mullins lyrics.
Vintage Scoots! I think we need to calculate what percentage of your posts are Rich Mullins lyrics. =)
Jesus almost certainly preached apocalyptically, so I’m not sure how you could just set all that material aside.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to suggest that you set the apocalyptic stuff aside. I just need a lot more convincing when somebody references an apocalyptic text. Maybe it’s because people always want to turn hornets into Apache helicopters.
So you think all of Jesus’ teaching is apocalyptic? Or only the apocalyptic-sounding bits, about darkness and light and Gehenna and stuff?
June 13th, 2006 at 8:42 am
Ok, I’m totally posting too much today, but I thought I’d mention that there are some massive, unexplored assumptions about human nature underlying our varying positions on this issue.
To summarize: Scoots thinks people are basically evil, and Darius and I seem to think people are basically good.
June 13th, 2006 at 11:23 am
Scoots, sorry if I’m contributing to the desultoriness - it really oughta be a word… of this thread, but I figure I have implicit permission since you’re now quoting lyrics and haven’t deleted my comments.
You mention that, regarding things “turning out right in the end,” there’s no “real reason for hope (based on human history) unless there is a real God directing history toward that end.”
As far as whether the human race is going to blow its chance at having a long run as a species, I’m retaining my agnostic stance, despite the Bush administration. Seems to me it’s too early to call, and so far, our species shows signs of both promise and the possibibility of early demise.
But like you, I don’t see faith as being in humanity. I mean, given enough time, we’ll die out or change into something else anyway.
But I don’t think the only alternative is belief in a real God directing history. I’m thinking that a God who directs history sounds pretty much like the Og (”Other” or “Objectified” God) back on my blog.
What about the possibility that existence or reality itself, the complete Context, is headed in the right direction just by way of how it’s made?
June 14th, 2006 at 12:58 am
Darius - I’m certainly not opposed to long or numerous posts, as long as people are still interacting. (I posted the song as its own comment so people could skip over it quickly if they wanted to.)
Your stance/suggestion is interesting, but I would think that if the very nature of things were directing existence in a positive direction, we’d see more evidence of it. It seems to me that the nature of things is only directing us toward more extreme behavior –– e.g., we put a man on the moon, but we now can and do kill each other more efficiently than (I assume) any time in human history.
I know it’s kind of trite to point out that Stalin and Hitler and Atomic bombings of cities are signs that maybe we aren’t headed in the right direction, but then, they really do suggest that, don’t they?
The point of apocalypic literature, I believe, is to suggest that the nature of things is indeed leading us straight to hell, and that God has to break in (violently, apparently) at some point to set things right. A weakness of my stance is that there’s no direct evidence that God will ever do this, plus the whole thing can seem like wishful thinking.
On the other hand, the Christian claim has often been that Jesus’ role was to serve notice that things would change, and that an incarnation took place and changed the course of history, guaranteeing the apocalyptic visions would come true.
I can see some advances being made, at least in some cultures, such as women claiming a voice that has typically been silenced in the past. But how do you balance that against all the killings? What would you consider to be the main signs that the world is getting better rather than getting worse or staying as it is?
June 14th, 2006 at 10:01 am
I don’t see the world as getting better. To me it’s a basically ambiguous picture. It’s possible to select evidence that suggests we’re going nowhere or getting worse; but it’s also possible to select evidence that suggests we’re headed in a positive direction - for example, the fact that we have the concept of human rights at all, and the idea of democracy as preferable to dictatorship has wider currency than in the age of monarchs.
Of course right now is a particularly bad time - both democracy and human rights are being undermined by the leadership of our own nation, imo.
But taking the long view of our species, I feel I just don’t have enough information to make a call as to whether we’re on track for a better future or an early demise. Civilization itself is such a recent development - a moment ago on a planetary time scale.
When I said that being or existence itself may have an inherent capacity to realize the Kingdom, so to speak, I was referring to the entire process of whatever reality this planet’s a part of. The universe(s)itself.